I didn’t mention it here at the time because I didn’t want to jinx it, but I submitted a PAX panel this year titled “Women in a Virtual World: How Gender Roles Affect Your Elf”. We didn’t get the panel, as it turns out, which I found really disappointing but .. well, life is like that sometimes I guess. (It might not be too surprising that my post “My Hobby is Stupid and So Am I” was written the day I got the rejection letter.)
The panel was oriented towards an audience of women. Men were certainly welcome to attend but it was women, I think, that would have gotten the most out of it. In fact, my goal with the panel was to not talk about men at all either as allies or potential agents of patriarchy, and the panel description opened with the lines, “It’s not about the men!” which I guess in retrospect was perhaps threatening. The idea was for women to talk about how external social issues (often that we put on ourselves) can creep into our virtual worlds, and how to deal with it. I basically wanted to make women feel good about playing MMORPGs.
To that end, I planned on talking about leading a hardcore raid guild. When I initially filled that role I found it challenging to not fall in to “girlfriend” or “mom” patterns because those were what I was familiar with going into the game. I’m a woman! I’m nuturing and supportive and oh my god if you stand in that fire one more time I am going to remove you from the raid. Women are not traditionally groomed by society for the “Dear Leader” role, so it was a challenge for me to figure out what I wanted it to mean.
I think our panel probably lacked game “celebrity” firepower compared to many of the entries, but I couldn’t ask for two better co-panelists. I have to give mad public props to the tireless Apple Cider and the fierce Arolaide for agreeing to my wacky scheme in the first place. In my initial vision Apple Cider was going to talk about “sassy plate” and how external forces can make women feel bad about how they dress their elf. Arolaide was going to take on “momgaming”, and the general societal expectation that once a woman has a child she is no longer entitled to her own hobbies because she is a mombot.
Like I said, the idea was to talk about things that can make women feel bad about playing MMOs, and simultaneously commiserate and discuss ways to handle it. I thought it was unique because it was addressing a female audience and was approaching things from a positive perspective rather than a negative one. (The latter is covered quite nicely by the usual “Fat, Ugly, or Slutty” panel.)
So yeah, I was pretty bummed when we didn’t get it, but okay. I mean, I didn’t see the other submissions, and maybe ours just wasn’t right. C’est la vie.
But then I see this morning on Twitter that one of the accepted panels is about how to handle “wife aggro” (seriously, that’s in the title), and now I just feel kind of deflated. Wife aggro. Wife. Aggro. Not spouse aggro, but wife, because obviously gamers are all men (or in a same sex relationship but I suspect that’s not what Mr. Panelist had in mind) and women just don’t get it, amirite? Arolaide has already done a way better write up of why this is so irritating than I can, so go read it.
So, like, PAX dudes, you don’t have to take our panel about sisters doin’ it for themselves in MMOs, but could you at least not accept panels where women are othered right from the first five words? Sigh.










That is disappointing.
But your panel idea sounds really interesting (even though I’m a guy) and I wondered if it’d be worth doing via a podcast or Google hang-out or something?
PAX’s loss would be my gain that way (since I won’t be at PAX) and I’m inherently selfish.
I just don’t get the PAX team. Sometimes they seem relatively enlightened (no booth babe policy, for example) and other times…well they do something like this.
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Have you considered submitting to GeekGirlCon instead? Many women like myself are going there instead. Lots of great panels.
I would totally attend it if it were broadcast as a google hangout or something of the sort :) Who needs a convention…. make alternative media :P
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Hi!
I really appreciated this post and Arolaide’s on this … incident. I won’t try to rehash what you’ve both already excellently said so well, but as pasmith notes I do find myself disappointed with the Penny Arcade team. I’m used to them being awesome, but then again I have basically zero experience with PAX (I’m not really even a gamer, anymore), but i love Penny Arcade the comic and having been in and out of more than my share of hospitals since I was born, have huge respect for what they’ve done with the Child’s Play charity.
So reading about this was a major downer. I’d really like to see a post from Gabe or Tycho explaining why your panel, which sounds excellent, was rejected, while we got something called “Wife Aggro.” Because, seriously, really? Your panel actually sounds like a very interesting and timely discussion. “Wife Aggro,” at minimum, sounds like a particularly bland, unfunny joke that *equates women with mobs you’re supposed to kill.* In actuality, especially in context of your panel being denied, it’s unquestionably offensive.
And without placing blame on anyone, this would be a great opportunity for the PAX team to talk about the criteria for why some panels get accepted and others don’t, especially as between … similarly topic’d panels.
Changing the title, I fear, will have no effect on the content. We’ll see.
Joining the call for a podcast. I’d be really interested in hearing this discussion. You could even do it live with a call in/chat component so you could take questions.
Peace, and thanks again.
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AUUUUGH.
Ahem. Honestly, after the whole dickwolves asshattery I’ve had nothing to do with those two. So glad to see they’ve come a long way since then.
Oh wait. They haven’t.
I am definitely going to talk to Apple Cider and Arolaide about turning this panel into a (possibly live) podcast. I was so focussed on PAX that it didn’t even occur to me to just go ahead and publish it ourselves. Thanks for the encouragement and inspiration.
I had felt even before this that 2012 would probably be my last PAX — it’s just way too big now for my tastes — and next year I am definitely going to put my con time and money into GeekGirlCon instead. :)